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		<title>By: *e</title>
		<link>http://www.estarla.com/2007/09/28/what-defines-you-divides-you/comment-page-1/#comment-16959</link>
		<dc:creator>*e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, I gotcha Charles. I totally hear you. Indeed, I'd agree that was a complete projection of the American spin on race. And for Formula One, no less. We're definitely lagging on adapting to an international viewpoint--no contest there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, I gotcha Charles. I totally hear you. Indeed, I&#8217;d agree that was a complete projection of the American spin on race. And for Formula One, no less. We&#8217;re definitely lagging on adapting to an international viewpoint&#8211;no contest there.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.estarla.com/2007/09/28/what-defines-you-divides-you/comment-page-1/#comment-16958</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.  Certainly the issue is more complex than I presented it.  I suppose that as our society advances and continues to break more barriers, that we SHOULD recognize when those barriers are broken (see the hoopla regarding last year's Superbowl, which featured 2 African-American head coaches).  When Jackie Robinson first broke the color barrier in major league baseball, it was a huge deal -- now, everyone takes it for granted.

I guess the point which "got my goat" in terms of the American coverage of the F1 rookie was that the American media was projecting our own standards or perspective onto an international sport which exists globally.  The British media, and the driver himself, regard him as British, so it felt ignorant for the American media to make a big deal out of something (skin color) which wasn't an issue at the place where it was actually happening.  The British media focused on him because of his incredible skill at such a young age, not because he happened to be black.  I wouldn't think of it as admirable as much as a matter of fact, since the BBC news covers sports which involve countries all over the world (soccer, rugby, motorsport, cricket, etc.).

I felt that it was just another example of how egocentric the American consciousness is in regards to the rest of the world.  F1 is an international sport with drivers from 5 of the 7 continents and races are held across those same 5 continents.  The differences of color or race or nationality are already taken for granted and accepted, because everyone is used to interacting within a global community.  I guess America is still quite behind in terms of thinking that way.

(As you can tell, I've digressed into a rant which far exceeds the scope of the original topic. Sorry.)  :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  Certainly the issue is more complex than I presented it.  I suppose that as our society advances and continues to break more barriers, that we SHOULD recognize when those barriers are broken (see the hoopla regarding last year&#8217;s Superbowl, which featured 2 African-American head coaches).  When Jackie Robinson first broke the color barrier in major league baseball, it was a huge deal &#8212; now, everyone takes it for granted.</p>
<p>I guess the point which &#8220;got my goat&#8221; in terms of the American coverage of the F1 rookie was that the American media was projecting our own standards or perspective onto an international sport which exists globally.  The British media, and the driver himself, regard him as British, so it felt ignorant for the American media to make a big deal out of something (skin color) which wasn&#8217;t an issue at the place where it was actually happening.  The British media focused on him because of his incredible skill at such a young age, not because he happened to be black.  I wouldn&#8217;t think of it as admirable as much as a matter of fact, since the BBC news covers sports which involve countries all over the world (soccer, rugby, motorsport, cricket, etc.).</p>
<p>I felt that it was just another example of how egocentric the American consciousness is in regards to the rest of the world.  F1 is an international sport with drivers from 5 of the 7 continents and races are held across those same 5 continents.  The differences of color or race or nationality are already taken for granted and accepted, because everyone is used to interacting within a global community.  I guess America is still quite behind in terms of thinking that way.</p>
<p>(As you can tell, I&#8217;ve digressed into a rant which far exceeds the scope of the original topic. Sorry.)  <img src='http://www.estarla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: *e</title>
		<link>http://www.estarla.com/2007/09/28/what-defines-you-divides-you/comment-page-1/#comment-16945</link>
		<dc:creator>*e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's interesting, Charles. I think there's a few sides to the race issue, a very complicated issue indeed.

On one hand, I think that the "colour blind" and "no colour lines" bumper sticker phenomenon is kind of ignorant in itself, because when the person is in plain view and people proclaim to "not see any colour" I simply think they're lying, the same way people who say they have "no bias whatsoever" are lying. I'm more of an advocate of embracing differences rather than ignoring they exist because race is very much a part of everyone whether we admit it or not. But using it to be divisive is an entirely other matter. 

In your case, however, with the BBC not mentioning he is black that is pretty admirable I think. But then again, I don't think American news proclaiming he is black is a bad thing because that is somewhat of an advancement of an African-British (or is he African-American?) competitor in the sport, of which there are very few. It's a double-edged sword but all the same I don't know that I really agree with ignoring race as being an issue completely. I see much more advancement coming from the embracing of our differences. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting, Charles. I think there&#8217;s a few sides to the race issue, a very complicated issue indeed.</p>
<p>On one hand, I think that the &#8220;colour blind&#8221; and &#8220;no colour lines&#8221; bumper sticker phenomenon is kind of ignorant in itself, because when the person is in plain view and people proclaim to &#8220;not see any colour&#8221; I simply think they&#8217;re lying, the same way people who say they have &#8220;no bias whatsoever&#8221; are lying. I&#8217;m more of an advocate of embracing differences rather than ignoring they exist because race is very much a part of everyone whether we admit it or not. But using it to be divisive is an entirely other matter. </p>
<p>In your case, however, with the BBC not mentioning he is black that is pretty admirable I think. But then again, I don&#8217;t think American news proclaiming he is black is a bad thing because that is somewhat of an advancement of an African-British (or is he African-American?) competitor in the sport, of which there are very few. It&#8217;s a double-edged sword but all the same I don&#8217;t know that I really agree with ignoring race as being an issue completely. I see much more advancement coming from the embracing of our differences. <img src='http://www.estarla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Charles Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But London was fine, you say?  It seems to corroborate with a particular curious instance in the media recently -- the press coverage of Lewis Hamilton, the rising star rookie in Formula One racing.  The man was one point away from winning the world championship of arguably the highest pinnacle of motorsport....as a rookie of 22 years of age.

The BBC Sport website's coverage of his season always referred to him as a Brit and almost never made any mention of his skin colour during all of their coverage.  However, ESPN and other American sports media ran huge features on the fact that he was BLACK.

Sigh.  Things like this make me think that American is still rather immature when it comes to dealing with the "race issue."  True maturity/progress comes when we don't see a person's skin color anymore, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But London was fine, you say?  It seems to corroborate with a particular curious instance in the media recently &#8212; the press coverage of Lewis Hamilton, the rising star rookie in Formula One racing.  The man was one point away from winning the world championship of arguably the highest pinnacle of motorsport&#8230;.as a rookie of 22 years of age.</p>
<p>The BBC Sport website&#8217;s coverage of his season always referred to him as a Brit and almost never made any mention of his skin colour during all of their coverage.  However, ESPN and other American sports media ran huge features on the fact that he was BLACK.</p>
<p>Sigh.  Things like this make me think that American is still rather immature when it comes to dealing with the &#8220;race issue.&#8221;  True maturity/progress comes when we don&#8217;t see a person&#8217;s skin color anymore, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Chang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course; one often has to take a step back and look at it from not only the other person's vantage point, but also put the larger social context into picture.

i guess we'll just have to wait till the Star Trek-era to eliminate these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course; one often has to take a step back and look at it from not only the other person&#8217;s vantage point, but also put the larger social context into picture.</p>
<p>i guess we&#8217;ll just have to wait till the Star Trek-era to eliminate these things.</p>
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		<title>By: *e</title>
		<link>http://www.estarla.com/2007/09/28/what-defines-you-divides-you/comment-page-1/#comment-16642</link>
		<dc:creator>*e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@alex chang: Inherently, The States is a country full of and basically &lt;i&gt;made up of&lt;/i&gt; immigrants so yes, Americans should (imho) be the first ones to embrace that. It's what they signed up for and it's what they, themselves or their ancestors, are or were. 

While visiting other countries I'm reminded of this and contrast the natives with that and well, since I'm a visitor I think it's imperative to remember that &lt;i&gt;I'm&lt;/i&gt; the visitor and that people are not going to be prepared to think in the "American PC," non-prejudiced mindset. It requires add'l patience but indeed, it's an educational experience to come out of your comfort zone. Just because you and I are offended doesn't mean that the person who did the offending necessarily intended to be. 

I look upon every chance at interaction as an opportunity to learn something while traveling. It's been really eye-opening. And great. :)

@Franksabunch: And why would you, you newlywed? :) Hope you're enjoying your married life and I can't wait to catch up!!

@big league: Aw thanks. "Ignorance" by definition tends to cover a lot of grey area but you know, I think there's just as much knowledge I myself can gain from everything to shed light on my own ignorance. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@alex chang: Inherently, The States is a country full of and basically <i>made up of</i> immigrants so yes, Americans should (imho) be the first ones to embrace that. It&#8217;s what they signed up for and it&#8217;s what they, themselves or their ancestors, are or were. </p>
<p>While visiting other countries I&#8217;m reminded of this and contrast the natives with that and well, since I&#8217;m a visitor I think it&#8217;s imperative to remember that <i>I&#8217;m</i> the visitor and that people are not going to be prepared to think in the &#8220;American PC,&#8221; non-prejudiced mindset. It requires add&#8217;l patience but indeed, it&#8217;s an educational experience to come out of your comfort zone. Just because you and I are offended doesn&#8217;t mean that the person who did the offending necessarily intended to be. </p>
<p>I look upon every chance at interaction as an opportunity to learn something while traveling. It&#8217;s been really eye-opening. And great. <img src='http://www.estarla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Franksabunch: And why would you, you newlywed? <img src='http://www.estarla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Hope you&#8217;re enjoying your married life and I can&#8217;t wait to catch up!!</p>
<p>@big league: Aw thanks. &#8220;Ignorance&#8221; by definition tends to cover a lot of grey area but you know, I think there&#8217;s just as much knowledge I myself can gain from everything to shed light on my own ignorance. <img src='http://www.estarla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: big league</title>
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		<dc:creator>big league</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 01:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good think i like your kind, e*.  because you're one of a kind.........
keep fighting the good fight against ignorance and spread knowledge and insight throughout the world.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good think i like your kind, e*.  because you&#8217;re one of a kind&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
keep fighting the good fight against ignorance and spread knowledge and insight throughout the world&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Franksabunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franksabunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooooh!  I totally forgot that you were going to Europe!  I'm jealous, cuzin!  Have fun and be safe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooh!  I totally forgot that you were going to Europe!  I&#8217;m jealous, cuzin!  Have fun and be safe!</p>
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		<title>By: alex chang</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's interesting how the prejudices follow you halfway around the world to another continent.  

But then again, there are many other societies not as willing to embrace a multi-ethnic social makeup as much as the U.S.  There's plenty of flaws in our culture, but at least there are many of us trying our best to make it better...  in a way, everyone benefits eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how the prejudices follow you halfway around the world to another continent.  </p>
<p>But then again, there are many other societies not as willing to embrace a multi-ethnic social makeup as much as the U.S.  There&#8217;s plenty of flaws in our culture, but at least there are many of us trying our best to make it better&#8230;  in a way, everyone benefits eventually.</p>
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