Comments on: Chivalry Is Dead

By: *e

*e — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:31:39 +0000

Robbie, that is hilarious that you had 3 sisters and had the exact opposite experience. I didn’t think about it in that there were 2 things to do from that point of view, both before and after. And the entitlement attitude is definitely a groomed thing … just like nice gestures are not necessarily coming from an air that’s chivalrous. Hahaha…put the seat down, Robbie!!

By: Robbie

Robbie — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:16:18 +0000

It’s funny to think about for me… once again being in a similar position to you, but exactly opposite in growing up with way older sisters instead of brothers.

I remember hearing my sisters shout from one floor up, “Aghh, ROBBIE PUT THE TOILET SEAT DOWN!!!!”

I sometimes would think, jeez, so men have to put the toilet seat up, then down again, just so they don’t have to do it once. But then a couple months ago I was at a gay bar and my female coworker was behind me, and I put the toilet seat down for her, and then my other gay coworker did the same for another female coworker. They both commented on how sweet it was, but for us it was just insstinct; we both grew up with older sisters.

In the end, it’s not about being chivalrous, hell, I’m gay! It’s just about being nice when you can. And yeah, I’ll yell at a woman when I get commuter rage just as I would a man, probably more. Women get in the way more, maybe it’s an entitled feeling due to this whole chivalry thing. So I’m not gonna give up my seat on the subway unless you’re 90 years old or 9 months pregnant!

By: *e

*e — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:52:53 +0000

@lexybeast: I’m googling “Prince Philip quotes,” for sure. His wiki says, “He is noted for making comments which frequently come across as overly blunt and insensitive.” Haha!

@Edrei: Good point. What is a woman to do, hate on a guy for a courteous gesture just because it falls in the “chivalrous” category? No strings attached is definitely a good way to go - in my book, an indicator of good character.

@owbert: It is all about that expectation, isn’t it, that ruins things? I think it’s so much better when things come as icing on the cake.

@Al Bolin: I think my favorite Apple IIe game was Burgertime. Or Conan The Barbarian. But I think Conan was actually kind of hard. Especially for a 7-year-old.

@soulst0p: I think for discrimination to happen it is often on the part of the traditional beholder of power. But not so much I guess with reverse racism. And then the phenomenons you mentioned are attempts to justify rebalancing the scales, so … tough question. Chivalry is something that’s happened since the dark ages (or before) so maybe it’s more game because uh, women are somewhat demanding it to continue?

By: soulst0p

soulst0p — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:53:02 +0000

does chivalry = reverse (sex/gender) discrimination? does that = reverse racism? If so, I find myself in a bit of a quandry because I have more positive opinions of affirmative action vs. negative views of chivalry. Hypocrite am I?

or is chivalry more complicated than that?

By: Al Bolin

Al Bolin — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:26:49 +0000

I used to play the game Chivalry on my Apple 2 e.

By: owbert

owbert — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:18:51 +0000

hear, hear! i scoff, only in my mind, whenever ppl, namely women, complain about such a thing, and would like to men to be chivalrous. it is a double-edge sword. if you asking for something please do not be surprised when it becomes a back-handed compliment.

i.e.: men should be chivalrous. then the expectancy that is expected is that you, as a woman, in turn should be dainty.

i could go on about this.

By: Edrei

Edrei — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:59:17 +0000

Chivalry at least in my book works when the guys doing are sincere about it. It doesn’t really work if women want it because it’s their idea of it or men do it because they think they are getting laid.

Of course, in my book too chivalry is dead. I say all the better. It always throws women off when I do it with no strings attached.

By: Lexybeast

Lexybeast — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:44:52 +0000

Prince Philip, husband of Queen Elizabeth II, is known for some hilariously inappropriate and politically incorrect remarks. One regarding chivalry goes something like ‘If you see a man holding open a car door for a woman, it means either the car or the woman is new.’