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	<title>Comments on: The Chinese American Olympic Identity</title>
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		<title>By: e*star</title>
		<link>http://www.estarla.com/2008/08/18/chinese-american-olympic-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-23648</link>
		<dc:creator>e*star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@uncannyman: That is very nice of you to say. :) Indeedy, sorry I had to close comments as well - I just foresaw a sort of pattern where I was going to make a lot of circles in the arguments. Thanks for your input, though. Feel free to share your thoughts with me in an email!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@uncannyman: That is very nice of you to say. <img src='http://www.estarla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Indeedy, sorry I had to close comments as well &#8211; I just foresaw a sort of pattern where I was going to make a lot of circles in the arguments. Thanks for your input, though. Feel free to share your thoughts with me in an email!</p>
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		<title>By: uncannyman</title>
		<link>http://www.estarla.com/2008/08/18/chinese-american-olympic-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-23582</link>
		<dc:creator>uncannyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Esther, although I really don&#039;t have much of a comment/opinion on the post, I gotta say  I really enjoyed reading your piece of work here.  Too bad you had to close the comments on the previous entry, lol I had a thing or two to comment on that one :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Esther, although I really don&#8217;t have much of a comment/opinion on the post, I gotta say  I really enjoyed reading your piece of work here.  Too bad you had to close the comments on the previous entry, lol I had a thing or two to comment on that one <img src='http://www.estarla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: e*star</title>
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		<dc:creator>e*star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@a: I absolutely love watching the Olympics yet ... I think we can learn to enjoy them for what they are without making them the end-all of our existence. :) I think what I enjoy most is hearing the stories of the athletes and what they did in order to pursue their passion (while taking the media coverage that results with a grain of salt).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@a: I absolutely love watching the Olympics yet &#8230; I think we can learn to enjoy them for what they are without making them the end-all of our existence. <img src='http://www.estarla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think what I enjoy most is hearing the stories of the athletes and what they did in order to pursue their passion (while taking the media coverage that results with a grain of salt).</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never really understood why some people would take so much pride in one&#039;s own country and their atheletes&#039; abilities.  This is pretty much why I dislike these events so much: let&#039;s bring out the worst of people&#039;s stereotypes, racial/ethnic/national pride and televise it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never really understood why some people would take so much pride in one&#8217;s own country and their atheletes&#8217; abilities.  This is pretty much why I dislike these events so much: let&#8217;s bring out the worst of people&#8217;s stereotypes, racial/ethnic/national pride and televise it.</p>
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		<title>By: e*star</title>
		<link>http://www.estarla.com/2008/08/18/chinese-american-olympic-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-23436</link>
		<dc:creator>e*star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lexybeast: I may talk a whole lot about how oppressive it must be to live there, but heck if I&#039;m not jealous of you for having been there the past 2 weeks! What crazy lessons you must&#039;ve learned. Thanks for sharing. 

@moet-chan: No harm no foul. :) 

@Q dub: As far as credibility, it would be wrong for me to assume I have any on this subject. :) So I stand corrected. I did however mean to attach &quot;communism&quot; purely to whatever authoritarian political forces remain. I would never argue with the fact that economically, China is indeed capitalist. I guess as far as China&#039;s economic progress, I wrongly assumed it was purely &quot;capitalism&quot; that brought it success - but indeed the government (Communist aspects or not) had to have been a driving force behind it as well. I definitely should have clarified that in this post so thanks for bringing that up. :)

And on the other hand, as far as the social ills - I attached those that remain to communism but that is most likely also simplistic. Of course, every government is unique to the people in power within the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lexybeast: I may talk a whole lot about how oppressive it must be to live there, but heck if I&#8217;m not jealous of you for having been there the past 2 weeks! What crazy lessons you must&#8217;ve learned. Thanks for sharing. </p>
<p>@moet-chan: No harm no foul. <img src='http://www.estarla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>@Q dub: As far as credibility, it would be wrong for me to assume I have any on this subject. <img src='http://www.estarla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  So I stand corrected. I did however mean to attach &#8220;communism&#8221; purely to whatever authoritarian political forces remain. I would never argue with the fact that economically, China is indeed capitalist. I guess as far as China&#8217;s economic progress, I wrongly assumed it was purely &#8220;capitalism&#8221; that brought it success &#8211; but indeed the government (Communist aspects or not) had to have been a driving force behind it as well. I definitely should have clarified that in this post so thanks for bringing that up. <img src='http://www.estarla.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And on the other hand, as far as the social ills &#8211; I attached those that remain to communism but that is most likely also simplistic. Of course, every government is unique to the people in power within the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Q dub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in China but grew up in the states.  I hear you on all the embarrassing things happening across the pacific today, but to call any of that &quot;communism&quot; really tarnishes your credibility.  The Chinese government has displayed a great deal of poor judgment and mismanagement as a result of a single-minded ambition towards economic wealth and global recognition.   It&#039;s a shame, but none of it has anything to do with communism, which exists only in name.  It&#039;s silly to call a country with a thriving capital market communist, given the inherent definition of communism being the prohibition of earning return on capital--and there&#039;s plenty of return on capital happening.

Last but not least, the *majority* of people are most certainly not oppressed by the government.  You only  hear about the ones who are.  That&#039;s purely a quantitative issue which I&#039;ll leave you to confirm by asking people who have lived in China recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in China but grew up in the states.  I hear you on all the embarrassing things happening across the pacific today, but to call any of that &#8220;communism&#8221; really tarnishes your credibility.  The Chinese government has displayed a great deal of poor judgment and mismanagement as a result of a single-minded ambition towards economic wealth and global recognition.   It&#8217;s a shame, but none of it has anything to do with communism, which exists only in name.  It&#8217;s silly to call a country with a thriving capital market communist, given the inherent definition of communism being the prohibition of earning return on capital&#8211;and there&#8217;s plenty of return on capital happening.</p>
<p>Last but not least, the *majority* of people are most certainly not oppressed by the government.  You only  hear about the ones who are.  That&#8217;s purely a quantitative issue which I&#8217;ll leave you to confirm by asking people who have lived in China recently.</p>
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		<title>By: moet-chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>moet-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, I think a lot of expats (I&#039;m ABC as well) love china but are so frustrated with it at the same time. Like children who are ashamed of their parents. And it&#039;s also their/our &quot;special right&quot; to hate on China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, I think a lot of expats (I&#8217;m ABC as well) love china but are so frustrated with it at the same time. Like children who are ashamed of their parents. And it&#8217;s also their/our &#8220;special right&#8221; to hate on China.</p>
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		<title>By: moet-chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>moet-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know what? I&#039;m sorry. I&#039;m so sorry. I thought you were Korean-American because...there are so many korean-americans named Esther.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know what? I&#8217;m sorry. I&#8217;m so sorry. I thought you were Korean-American because&#8230;there are so many korean-americans named Esther.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexybeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexybeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just in China for a couple of weeks.  Interesting times.  I don&#039;t think of them as a Communist country at all now.  They&#039;ve basically offered all of their tradition and culture up for sale, and push it hard.  I&#039;d think of them now as a capitalist country with a strong, rather forceful government.

The extent to which the Chinese people have been imposed upon by the Olympics is incredible, and would never fly here.  In Beijing, only even numbered cars can drive on even numbered days, and vice versa.  (Though I think many employees have been given extra vacation to make up for this.)  In many parts of Beijing, the left hand lane is closed to ALL traffic except Olympics-related vehicles, at all times.  This is pretty minor though compared to elsewhere.  We went to a city outside of Beijing, Beidaihe, a seaside town which is usually busy with Russian tourists at this time of year.  Now, it was completely deserted- all the tourists who would normally be here this time of year were denied visas because of tightened Olympic security, and the local businesses were suffering.  

I&#039;m sure this government will soften over the next decade or two, because you get the strong sense that almost everyone really dislikes the way things are run.  We only had one guide speak strongly of Communism, and that was in Beijing.  He pointed to all the many skyscrapers around us, and said &#039;See all of these?  Almost all of them went up very fast, in just this past year!  This is the advantage of our Communism!&#039;

In a different setting, sure, we would have been quite impressed.  But with the massive earthquake and stories of massive construction corruption fresh in all our minds, this wasn&#039;t impressive.  It was terrifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just in China for a couple of weeks.  Interesting times.  I don&#8217;t think of them as a Communist country at all now.  They&#8217;ve basically offered all of their tradition and culture up for sale, and push it hard.  I&#8217;d think of them now as a capitalist country with a strong, rather forceful government.</p>
<p>The extent to which the Chinese people have been imposed upon by the Olympics is incredible, and would never fly here.  In Beijing, only even numbered cars can drive on even numbered days, and vice versa.  (Though I think many employees have been given extra vacation to make up for this.)  In many parts of Beijing, the left hand lane is closed to ALL traffic except Olympics-related vehicles, at all times.  This is pretty minor though compared to elsewhere.  We went to a city outside of Beijing, Beidaihe, a seaside town which is usually busy with Russian tourists at this time of year.  Now, it was completely deserted- all the tourists who would normally be here this time of year were denied visas because of tightened Olympic security, and the local businesses were suffering.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure this government will soften over the next decade or two, because you get the strong sense that almost everyone really dislikes the way things are run.  We only had one guide speak strongly of Communism, and that was in Beijing.  He pointed to all the many skyscrapers around us, and said &#8216;See all of these?  Almost all of them went up very fast, in just this past year!  This is the advantage of our Communism!&#8217;</p>
<p>In a different setting, sure, we would have been quite impressed.  But with the massive earthquake and stories of massive construction corruption fresh in all our minds, this wasn&#8217;t impressive.  It was terrifying.</p>
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